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My little brother, Army helo crew chief then pilot, and I, Army helo crew chief, were talking through the scenarios the night of the mishap. So many factors to consider.

In the Blackhawk, the crew chief (CC) sits on the right side, because the tail rotor is on the right and you want to keep an eye on that. The CC seat faces 90* to the normal axis of flight and is affixed to the floor and ceiling, which makes it very hard for the CC to work airspace surveillance out the left side. The pilot in command (PIC) typically sits on the right side of the cockpit, though that can be switched to give the copilot (CP) some right seat time - it’s a different experience flying in a different seat.

Under goggles it is, as you say, not like flying in the day; it’s like flying in a green tunnel. Yes, you can see better than unaided (in many situations), but it is definitely not the same.

Who was sitting where? Was the PIC in the right seat? Was the PIC on the stick? Was the CC on the right? Who was handling radios, and from which seat? Was the crew googles down, or unaided at the time of the midair?

There are so very many things that combinations of those question can lead to go wrong, that you don’t need any of the factors I’ve seen speculated to make this mishap.

Under goggles. CC right seat, no view of the conflicting traffic. PIC right seat, on the stick, CP left seat working the radios in a very busy traffic pattern. Climbing right turn, thinking they’ve got the traffic in sight, but looking at the wrong plane (remember the last minute change of runway for the jet). Nobody in the helo is picking up the traffic, their view is tipped away from the danger, and they’re slightly too high. The jet is in a descending left turn, looking at the runway, and they heard the helo say they had them in sight. Their view is tipped away from the danger.

Now run all those combos above, and you don’t need social justice to get you to a midair.

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Just read a great new piece of evidence that this midair was a conspiracy: the helo was at the proper altitude just six seconds before, therefore remote control or suicide crash or DEI.

A long time ago, I crewed a flight to take a bunch of infantry scouts across Cook Inlet to do grunt things in the snow. It was very windy, a few days earlier, we’d had 109mph winds in Palmer and about 1/3 of the shingles were ripped off my roof and 70ft of my backyard fence blew away into the forest, never to be seen again.

Winds were sustained 30kt on the field and higher aloft. The scouts were loaded for bear, their gear piled between and on them so high they couldn’t have lifted a cheek to fart. It was a moderately bumpy ride outbound, but once we’d unassed the grunts, the birds were several thousand pounds lighter and it was a rough ride home. We pulled out of the LZ and started climbing up to cruise altitude. At about 300 ft AGL, we got hit with a downdraft.

The pilot yelled, “holy shit!”, and I came up out of the seat and crunched my head into the ceiling. We dropped 100ft in about 1/4 of a second. If we’d been at 100ft AGL when we hit that down air, we’d have augured in.

Unwittingly climb 150-200 feet in six seconds, under goggles on a windy night in a busy traffic pattern over a lit city? Baby food.

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